Eden Edge shares her of menarche journey and how it led her to establishing business to provide education and convenient resources for menstruating women. “And so for five years, I stopped my menstrual flow for five years, I suffocated myself, my reproductive system, my vagina, all of that. And so after those five years were up, I, which would put me in 2012 I have suffered my body, as far as trying to get my body back on track, it’s really taken that long.” She mentions how she discovers disturbing information about sanitary napkins and the chemicals that were put in the napkins. “They’re companies that are allowed to use a chemical that elongates the cycle. Over time, the more you use these products, it’s going to make that cycle longer.” 

In this episode, Eden Edge informs the Vagina Talk listeners about her mission to support and educate others who have had similar experiences. She exchanges her view on how to create a place that provides healthier product options and information to women on how to care for their bodies.

Here’s a little glimpse:

  • The long term benefits of utilizing natural feminine products 
  • The awareness of harmful chemicals used in mainstream feminine products
  • How to find hope during painful situations
  • How to endure through experiences of loss

Resources Mentioned in this episode:

About Eden Edge

In 2012, Eden Edge was forced to terminate her baby due to an ectopic pregnancy. After consulting with her physician and doing a little research, she found out that her uterine wall and fallopian tubes had chemical scarring. Eden’s physician stated that the type of birth control she was using along with certain feminine care products were filled with harmful chemicals such as chloroform, aluminum, and acetone. Her body had been absorbing these chemicals for over five years! Hearing this information was tough but it was then that Eden decided to adapt some healthier habits. 

Hygeniee provides feminine hygiene care products that are organic, all-natural, chemical & toxin free, and made by Women! Their mission is to deliver a unique collection of items to each customer’s home, every single month. They have a dedicated team of professionals who pick out quality items to include in each box.

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VT 83 Protecting Your Womb with Eden Edge


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Samantha Rise 

I’m Samantha Rise, and welcome to Vagina Talks, where we speak about, to and from vaginas. This is a show of alchemy, where we turn poison into medicine, disconnection into wisdom and isolated wounds into communal peacemaking. Here’s your host, Sophia Wise One.

Sophia Wise One 

You already know everything they can teach You already know everything they could say, We are here to remind you what you already already already know.

I just want to take a minute to acknowledge that Vagina Talks understands that gender is fluid and dynamic and goes way beyond the binary of either woman or man, she or him. And that, in fact, it’s a living an evolving thing that’s actually personal person to person. And that our bodies, even our understanding, or the ways that we experience them can vary. It’s important for me that that’s something that has space here on Vagina Talks.

Welcome back to Vagina Talks my love’s I am Sophia Wise One, Daughter of the Wind Spider Queen. They call me Sophia and I am happy happy to be here with you today. A little update on my life. I have both my sisters have been pregnant this past year, and one of them gave birth this week. So I have been ushered into a new realm Our family has grown and transitioned. And I am incredibly excited. I’m currently in Philadelphia, to be with my family in this time of transition, potting up one sister at a time to be part of this time, and I am humbled, I am excited.

And at the same time, I also am carrying this understanding that womanhood and the experience of the feminine and all of the female, in the splitting of that binary, has been injured has been hurt has been dismantled. And so I’m looking to have a space where the feminine and the female and the female body is reclaimed and respected and lifted and inspected and known, as well as a space that goes beyond the binary.

And that acknowledges that these are limited constructs, mostly put upon us, and that we’re in the process of evolving into something more whole and more true. Just wanted to say that some of my guests will use incredibly binary language for whatever reason from the places that they come from. And I just wanted to let you know that Vagina Talks has a much wider understanding, and it’s a living one. So feel free to chime in as we go along. Without further ado, today’s episode.

And I am feeling the energy of new life, the new moon just coming through this new moon. That happened probably when you’re listening, it’s going to be a couple weeks ago, but this this January, New Moon this shifting of times we are we’re we are at the turning point my brother and I were talking about we’re gonna call these babies, the turning point babies, the children that are coming in, in this time this turning point we’ve decided we have decided this now here these days, these hours these weeks, these months, these years are the years that the world is turning into the world that we have dreamt it to be.

So I want to give thanks to all the babies coming in. I want to give thanks to all the beings that are stepping out of the planet and off of the planet. Because the birth death door is the same door as I have been taught and as I have experienced. And so this is a time the turning point time is a time where we are coming and we are going and we are weaving something new. So it is a powerful, powerful time, which is what you’re going to hear me say on every episode because that is what life is life is power. It has potential. It is a moment it is a breath over and over and over again.

And it’s the remembering of the truth of that that brings us into our center and brings us into our, mhmmm. It’s our center and what happens there, peace. I want to talk about power and I want to talk about peace. Yeah, that’s how we come into our peace. We’re turning towards peace and we are committing to weaving and creating peace. So thank you for all the work that you’ve been doing in your families in your own heart in your own home, in your own grieving and you’re raging and you’re quieting and you’re courageous and you’re dreaming and your actions and you’re stepping into this world.

I’m excited to bring I have a guest today that I’m excited I’m really excited to bring on because she is the epitome of someone who has taken that knowing of the own strife and turning it into servicing gift, and it’s really focused on vaginas. So like double bonus here for us today. I’m excited to bring her in here and have her start sharing her stories.

Eden Edge 

It is very, very delightful to be here, Sophia, and I just got to tell you. I feel come for it. I feel comforting right now. very comforting. I feel like crying. But it’s a good cry. I there is such a welcoming spirit right here. I that is the first time I’ve ever been into introduced as the founder and CEO of Hygeniee. And I am going to deem it the best regardless of what happens from here on out just there’s I feel low, I feel. Yes. So I this is going to be very, very powerful. I already know it.

Sophia Wise One 

Welcome Eden. Welcome. Welcome. And congratulations. I just I am so excited for you when I when I met Eden and I met through this app that I’m in really into these days called club house. As as you all know, I like to talk. And it’s a talking based app. And I am just so excited because your presence, your generosity of spirit is so palpable to me. And you are here to take good care and help people take good care of vaginas.

So like, obviously, I am really, really, really into it. And I’m excited about that growth for you, like many, many, so many blessings on every introduction of the Co-Founder and CEO of Hygeniee. Beautiful. Whoo. Yes. Awesome.

So I just like I kind of like Which way do I want to go, I want to ask you a kind of about product, like you already said it, I want to ask you, I’m going to ask you, I am I’m going to ask you, I want to ask you, what is you’re in your vagina and your womb and your heart like in your body right now? What is what is alive? And what is that part of you want to say to say right now? Like, what, from that place? What does that place in you have to say, in this moment.

Eden Edge 

That there is so much beauty in the vagina. There’s so much beauty in what it does. I mean, like, life enters and exits from that one place. And it should be embraced more. You know, typically, I’ve been taught to look at it as a body part. And it is, but it’s so much more. There’s so much more. Like I said, it’s the beginning of like, I it creates life. Like is the entry point for for growth, and well being and all of that, you know? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Sophia Wise One 

I and when I feel you speak about that. It’s this like the honoring and the like boldness of it. I just had this flash of like, you know how there’s just been like sculptures of like, men, everywhere, all over this country for a long time. I just had this flash of just like, and this is happening anyway, like the vulva art that has been emerging but like huge, like, you know, 16 foot sculptures of vulva and vaginal canals and cervixes. Like, opening and you know, and I love all I love all genitals and they all have a magic to them.

And I think as we heal and reclaim and take good care of vaginas, it inspires vaginas. I had this feeling this feeling, and I was like, vaginas want to bring everything with everyone with them. You know, I always say like, a whole, unhealed wound give space for the, the entirety of whatever needs to be, grow into its fullest. Right?

So like vaginas, and wombs and their whole state want the best, healthiest penises and anuses and digestive systems and brains and bodies and hearts of all bodies and all beings like that’s what vaginas want. That’s what they’re made for is to let receive and to create and make and to peck perpetuate them. So yeah, that was that’s what happened for it got really, it got really grandiose as you were talking. Yeah,

flags and shout out to if people don’t know and haven’t checked it out in London. I think it may be a couple years ago now a museum opened the vagina museum opened. And it’s gotten great press and, and they’ve been doing awesome work. So even if you don’t know about it, I definitely recommend you checking them out. And any of you listeners look up the vagina museum. They’ve been they’ve been really embracing and bringing out this this idea of of the imagery, the brilliance. So,

Eden Edge 

That’s awesome.

Sophia Wise One 

So tell us about tell us about Hygeniee. Like, what is it? And how did you get into it?

Okay. Like a simple little start. Good start, like give us a little bit of Hygeniee. Like what that’s about a little bit, and then Okay, yeah, we’ll keep it keep it. Okay. We’ll start there.

Eden Edge 

Okay. Okay, so what Hygeniee is, it’s a subscription box service that supplies all natural feminine products. And that includes anything from tampons to pads to fresheners to oils, to relieve you of cramps, to heating patches to washes, two wipes, two liners, anything that has to do with your vagina and the vagina cells. And they are all natural materials made with all natural ingredients that our toxin free. toxin free, toxin free, toxin free,

No carcinogens. None, nothing cancer causing. Because in case anyone didn’t know, that’s what a carcinogen is. And so no cancer causing products. And I started Hygeniee because I found that there were not many avenues to find these products.

So it was with me thinking about all the other women that would have the issue of Okay, well, when I go into a store, big box store, I typically see these products, you know, and so, of course, by nature, whatever we see that so what we purchase, you know, and I want it to give an option to purchase other items. So it’s like okay, basically, I’ve created a Walmart, but for all natural fitness products. That’s the goal. That’s the goal.

I love it, you’re the Come come to it, right, you’ve gathered all of these well made caregiving products in one place. And then and then you send them in a in a box, right? You send them in a box, right and get in a package. Love it. So beautiful.

Sophia Wise One 

So we were talking a little bit before we got on the show here today. And you started to tell me about kind of the distance like you’ve come a long way, right from beings from being someone who’s like, let me tell you about the anatomy of a vagina and evolve and what is healthy for you. That’s not where you started.

Eden Edge 

Definitely not. What I started was what’s a vulva?

Sophia Wise One 

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So, uh, you know, I think one of the powerful place to start we started to talk about this was ministration. Did you were you prepared? Were you did you know what was gonna happen or what it would mean or any of that stuff kind of how I feel like you started telling me the story.

This is the truth. Even started telling me this story and, and I was like, I got it. I gotta go, babe. I gotta I gotta go. We’ll talk. What’s it called? come back to this. I want to hear this story. So bringing it back in, you started to tell me about your menarche, your first menstruation. And, and I would love if you would tell me, tell me about that could kind of tell me tell me the story you started.

Eden Edge 

Okay. Okay, so here it goes. Mmm hmm. I was definitely ill prepared. Like, on the bottom of bottomest levels. I was ill prepared. When I start, I don’t even remember if I…I think I just understood that I would start bleeding one day, that was how I understood it. One day, you’re going to start bleeding. I had never had a discussion with anyone about it just I remember fifth grade talking about it in that one little two hours sex education class that they just kind of crammed everything into, but I bleed one day.

So I was in seventh grade. Actually, now I was in sixth grade. I was in sixth grade. And I was at a UGA football game with my best friend and his mom. And I go to the bathroom, just in there using the bathroom. And it’s full of people because I mean, it’s a UGA game and it’s full of people. And I go to the bathroom. And I pull down my underwear and there’s just I just red. You just see red. 

And in my mind I’m like, Oh, no, I think this is what that video was talking about. And oh, no, I don’t know what to do. I don’t have anything. I don’t know where to go to get something. I don’t I’m not even sure if the bathrooms at that time supplied like that vending machine with the products. But even then, I’m standing with Okay, what’s the liner? What’s the pad? What’s the tampon?

So, I remember leaving out of the bathroom. Like not knowing what to do. And I believe my friend was standing outside of the bathroom where the men’s bathroom was. And I told him, like, I didn’t have anyone else to tell. So I was like, I think my period is on because there was a lot of blood. And he was like, we’ll just and I think we both kind of understood that this was the first time we didn’t say it. But he was like, we just go to the bathroom and just get a bunch of tissue.

And so I went to the bathroom and I got a bunch of tissue. And I you know, put it in my underwear. And when I did that. First thing is I remember it being the beginning of the game. So this is not like a halftime situation. This is like first quarter of the UGA football game. And I’m sitting here leaking blood I don’t understand, you know, if it’s like this is gonna come out like this river or like a you know, a running faucet? I’m not I don’t know. I don’t know.

And so that was my first experience of my cycle. And just I don’t even remember when I had the conversation with my mom when I got home. I don’t actually remember I think when I got home, I think I took a bath. And I think I might have gone in her drawer and found something that I had seen her use, which was a pad and I remember putting the pad on and going to sleep. And that was that. Yeah.

Sophia Wise One 

Wow. When you tell that story now, like your present self, and you look back to this young Eden, what do you want to say to her?

Eden Edge 

I would say it’s okay. I would say It’s okay, because that Eden was fearful. And that Eden didn’t believe that she had the resources for help. Yeah. I had a mom that lived in my home, but was out of reach.

Sophia Wise One 

Mm hmm.

Eden Edge 


Sophia Wise One 

I want to say something to that Eden. I’ll say it to you and if you want her to have it you pass it on and she can can have it. Right, you can to decide if she gets it.

Eden you’re gonna grow up and you’re going to understand so much of what’s happening right now, you’re going to really understand it. And you’re going to help so many people to feel so safe in this moment. And you are going to become a guardian of your body, like you’ve never seen before. And so just like if you can just like, just take trust in where you’re going, it’s good, you become an incredibly strong being, and just wrap her up and all of that all of that wisdom.

And I also want to send her if she would like it. To that little Eden and to anyone else who has in that moment of fear that to be surrounded by angels, or ancestors, the energy of the menstruating wisdom council that says that says I know your body and this is a good and holy thing. And we’re going to take care of you and teach you how to take care of you.

Eden Edge 

Well, thank you so much Sophia, that Eden just released. And so she and I are very thankful for those words that you just gave like, I intended today to speak on a podcast, not cry.

But it is refreshing. You have a gift. And its freedom. And I if this is what is I’m feeling I can only imagine what all these listeners are gonna, you know, feel when they hear this. So I appreciate you.

Sophia Wise One 

Thank you Eden. Thank you, I feel I just feel my I’m repressing my own chest, I’m holding my heart with the beauty and yeah, of this moment. I am just so I’m so grateful that we get to tell these stories to each other and that we get to raise our children and our nibblings and our and and each other now, you know, that like we get to tell these stories, then we get to say like, we have more information.

I’m feeling really connected to the gratitude of like, all of the teachers that have found me and that I’ve found in my life to be able to sit here with you in this moment. You know, like, that is a gift that is such a gift.

Eden Edge 

Yes. It is.

Sophia Wise One 

So beautiful. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Oh, my goodness. So beautiful. Now do you have an affectionate relationship with your menstruation? That’s a leading question. I’m curious what your relationship. That’s a very leading question. I’m curious what your relationship now is with menstruation.

Eden Edge 

So we’re in a journey right now with my menstruation. I suppressed her for five years. Well, I never said that. And I blame myself. What I did was, I was 21 when I gave birth to my second child. And my second child, I had the same father as my first. But we were not married. And in my community and in my faith. That was something that was frowned upon.

And because I was ill informed and everything, everything was taboo. Instead of me having a conversation about how to live the way they wanted and I say day because that was the mindset at the time. It was how to live how I want without them knowing. And where that took me was birth control.

And so I decided to get the Mirena and this is 2007. And I think it was like something, you know, brand spanking new, and just give this a give a kind of side note to this, I come from a disadvantaged community. And so I grew up in a small town. And so because even though there may be some people, my parents both work we both always had, I mean, they both made sure that I always had, so I didn’t lack I didn’t grow up poor. But my community was labeled as a poor community.

And because it was, the things that we had access to, and the resources were very limited. And the doctors, the nurses, everything was, we’re kind of like guinea pigs is how I look at it now. So at the time, when I received the Mirena it was new, hadn’t even been tested that much. But it was suggested to me.

One thing that I deal with in my community, I am a minority, I’m African American, and I’ve dealt with a lot of suppression as far as creating life. Because typically, you have, it’s like this cycle of, Okay, we’re having to supply them with food, you know, with your government assistance, we’re having to supply them with housing. So let’s handle that problem by stopping them from having children or as many children.

And so I kind of fell into that category be cause of what I look like. And so I chose to have the Mirena because, I mean, you’re telling a 21 year old that wants to continue having sex, unmarried, but doesn’t want anyone to know so and you tell me that this thing I can have for five years. Like sign me up, that was my mindset.

And so that is exactly what I did. And so for five years, I stopped my menstrual flow for five years, I suffocated myself, my reproductive system, my vagina, all of that. And so after those five years were up, I, which would put me in 2012 I have suffered my body, as far as trying to get my body back on track, it’s really taken that long. And so, I would love even now, there are months when I do not see my cycle, my period. And there’s some months that I do. That’s why I said it’s a journey because I’m still, you know, trying to incorporate change, alter, improve things that give me that back.

Sophia Wise One 

Wow. Thank you for sharing all of that.

Eden Edge 

You’re welcome.

Sophia Wise One 

You know, it’s, you know, birth control, control of the body and the control of people. And our creative sexual being, you know, I understand that, like these things are, that they’re, it’s the intersection between all of those things that have such a powerful impact on us, right?

Like the story that you tell that again, I’m like, now it’s in a different place, but I’m holding my chest again, this place of like, that deep repression, right that deep, like how do I get through this with the least amount of judgment, the least amount of ostracization, the least amount of getting right, the risk of being outed or injured by your community even more, and then, you know, turning to this, you know, medical community that has historically been incredibly damaging, right to your, to your lineage and also to poor communities in general like that, you know.

So that the both of those landscapes are very, in my experience very hard on the womb and the root, which is the generative life, giving creation space, right? And that right? That’s a that’s a lot. That makes a sense, that makes a lot of sense to me that it’s like not just the hormones, which I think is one of those things where it’s like that’s, you know, if in the most ideal situation where someone’s very, very empowered birth control hormone based is a costly, yet sometimes cost effective liberating choice for people. Right?

Like there’s a space where I think that that that is the right aligned choice for people at this time, even though I do believe over time, birth control is really going to change its shape as women actually and people who have the potential to get pregnant are more in control of the research and the creation of those tools. I think they’re going to really change and we’re going to see more and more evidence that it it’s costly to go through this process.

And yet the combination of everything that you’re talking about has that compounding effect, right? Like, right, that’s what I hear it’s like on top of on top of on top of just like honor that compounding of that. And the beauty of your patience to kind of walk in the restoration of all of that, because now you have  the revitalization and the balancing of your hormones. And like I say balancing of hormones, kind of like in quotes, because our hormonal landscape is something that’s shifting as we grow.

So like our 30 year old hormonal balance is so different than our 20 year old hormone balance, right? You know, right, it’s like, it’s not like we’re like balancing isn’t to be meant to say that there’s some ideal balance that is objective and outside that, like the balance is actually this kind of dynamic living flow, right.

And so the process of even without pushing it to extremes, and any pregnancy is also a journey that organically pushes our hormones to an extreme that then kind of finding our balance and restoring from you know.But the body is designed and to do that, in a way that’s very different, right? So I just hear all of these things.

So what are some things I’m thinking about? You know, you’ve learned a lot on this journey, right? Like you’ve studied and learned. And so I would love to have you share some of those things that you’ve learned to help this, like you said, this kind of, you know, this, I don’t want to say long, because eight years is a long time. And also eight years, if we’re talking about healing, ancestral lineage, cultural, body, personal, massive healing, eight years, this is a, it’s a, it’s kind of a drop in the bucket, right?

If we’re looking at hundreds of years of being pushed around. But it’s a lot of life. Right? Like, there’s a lot of life in that. Right. So, so I would love to just kind of hear like, what are some of the things that you’ve learned and that you, you want other people to? To receive? You know, you get it? You get.


Eden Edge 

Well, yeah, I get it. Um, oh. One thing I have learned is…Well, number one, that I have to be in control of my own body.

Sophia Wise One 

Yes. And yes,

Eden Edge 

I have to be in control of my own body. And the control of my own body is me, it’s up to me, not anyone else. Anyone else shouldn’t have say so about my body. And before I before I get it, if it’s okay, so he so within those eight years. In eight years and two buried babies. And when I say buried babies, I did not carry babies to term, but in 2012, I suffered from an ectopic pregnancy. And then, in 2020, COVID year. Just a few months ago, not even a year ago, I experienced my second loss of a baby.

The one in 2012 what had happened was the birth control that I was using, it caused scarring in my fallopian tubes. Because what the Mirena does, it works two ways it releases hormones. That’s one way to keep you from getting pregnant. And then the second way is, it’s made in the shape of a T. So it feels like a wall so that the sperm cannot enter. So the chemicals causes scarring in my fallopian tubes, like if you could open up my tube, it looked like craters along the tube.

And so what happened was when I became pregnant, the baby did not make it through the tube, but instead settled in the crater and started to form. And I was unaware. And it’s the story is impeccable. I was experiencing pain on December 12, 2012. So, all you numerology people, that’s 12-12-12 I was experiencing very, very tough pain, I couldn’t even walk.

And my husband was like, we got to go to the emergency room, went to the emergency room, found this information out. And that was now the birth control was me, I did that I stopped, you know, my cycle. Like I say, I suppress and suffocated, you know, my menstrual flow. And that was the first thing I did where I did not have control, you know, I made the choice, but the IUD was stopping that process.

So when my husband fast forward, 2012, my husband and I were at the emergency room, we were told immediately that the baby, that my fallopian tube had ruptured, and that I was going to die if they did not go ahead and doinduce surgery and remove the baby, as well as the tube. In that moment, it might have been like the worst of my life, because I did not have a choice.

I did have a choice, it was like, either both of you die. Or both of you die. And it was like at that point, I had waited five years, you know, because at that time, my husband and I were married woman, my boyfriend, then married. So it was like, it was so exciting. You know, I’m pregnant. Now I’m pregnant. This is something I don’t have to hide anymore.

You know, I could be fully, you know, present and people were excited. It was different from the other two times. And so that excitement, it was then just just snatched, and I didn’t have a choice. And I just it was it was very, very horrific. And then after the procedure, what made it more horrific was that the nurse approached me and asked me if I had any questions.

And I think my first question was, what happened to my baby? As far as the disposal, I wanted to know. And she told me, she was like, we have a procedure of how we dispose of it. And I was like, Okay, I was content with that. And then she moved past the questioning, to tell me she was like but it’s all good. She like your stomach looks flat still. You don’t have to worry about that.

And in my mind, I might, how can you even talk about the appearance of my, the outer appearance of my body and my soul and my inside is suffering, you know. Then to add insult to injury, I had to recover in the hospital for five days. That particular hospital decided it was a good idea to put me in recovery on the maternity ward.

Sophia Wise One 

Oh my god.

Eden Edge 

And so for five days, I’m on the maternity ward. At nighttime, when all of my visitors have left. I’m listening to baby’s crying. I was also instructed to do several walks around the floor, just to get my body back. And I was as I’m walking you know, throughout the day, I’m approached by questions like oh, what did you have? Because everyone and then confusion when I follow it with nothing.

So another thing that I have learned is I will never, ever take my pregnant self to another hospital. Next pregnancy series will be with a doula and I will have it at home birth. I will not have any type of medications because there is a system that happens in healthcare, where I did not feel like I had any type of support, any type of care, any type of concern, any type of knowledge, anything type of awareness, any type of control that I don’t want to ever experience again.

So that’s, that’s the second thing that I had learned and what I want to share. There’s so much incorrectness in that. So much devastation in that, and at the time I was 25/26. You know, that’s, that’s very detrimental. Yeah. So as we, you know, so then I’m like, Okay, this is something I’m not doing ever again. I’m not doing this again. So then it was. Let me look at where I’m, you know, eating. Because that can assist me in starting, because I’ve now at this point, I have done the damage with putting the IUD and then now I’m down to one fallopian tube, you know, so my chances of conceiving or even, you know, that’s part of my reproductive system.

So, I mean, if I was born with both of them, I’m pretty sure. You know, it’s a necessity for both of them to be there. So you know, I don’t like that whole Well, you don’t you only need one, you can still do it one. But you know, what’s the connection was, there’s a spiritual connection, there’s, like, my body is missing something. So I got to work extra hard.

And so I, of course, the first thing that I did was I did change my diet. I took fast foods out of my diet. I do eat out, I just don’t eat fast food. So I’m not gonna go to your McDonald’s, your Burger Kings, your I did occasionally go to chick fil a, because let’s be honest, that’s not fast food. No, I don’t eat fast food. My husband is an awesome cook. And so he cooks. And then we, we take the opportunities to eat at restaurants.

Typically, restaurants that have to discard their food at the end of the day. So we’re not really stuck with those processed foods. I took that out. I did that. And I still kind of struggle with cycle, I would have a cycle have a consistent for about five months, and then it would disappear.

A lot of things that took into consideration was stress. You know, how am I feeling? You know, losing a baby, at the time I was carrying. I was I was two months pregnant. But sometimes people don’t consider that losing a baby. But I’m like, Yes, I carried life. And that life did not come to fruition. So I did lose it. But I don’t believe it to have put me in a state of loss, there. I know I grieved really heavy for like a week. And then after that week, I just began to just thank God, because I knew I will be given other opportunities.

And so that’s how I that’s something else I learned that just because something is denied or something is taken or something isn’t a yes. It doesn’t mean that it can’t ever be. So I just continued to push. I in 2018 discover some information about sanitary napkins and the chemicals that were put in the napkins. And I was like, You got to be kidding kidding me? Like, how is this?

How is this Okay, like, and just to give some context to it. There are companies that are companies that make feminine products, and we’re talking about specifically pads, liners and tampons for this. They’re companies that are allowed to use a chemical that elongates the cycle. Over time, the more you use these products, it’s going to make that cycle longer. Okay.

And I know people I’ve heard people and even myself I’ve had typically used to a five day cycle and then that five day cycle turning into a seven day cycle, and it’s kind of like okay, well you know why the change? And I mean, this has been consistent with them for like 20 years and then is like, okay, I’ve been using this product and now my cycle is longer and they are allowed to do this. And they do it because Okay, we have a longer cycle, that you have to use these products more, not only does it cause you to have a longer cycle, but it also causes it to be heavier. And I’m like, you have to be kidding me.

And this is why this is one reason why I have Hygeniee. Because it’s like stuff like this that people are not aware of. And even though I would like to go out and just do a revolt on these products, you know, I’m like, Okay, I have my place, but I may not be able to stop what’s happening. But I can redirect that into something positive over here. So that I started in 2018. That’s when I became aware of those products. And I started using products that I saw in the stores, but that I read about and they did not have those same toxins.

I started doing that. And then when this year came, I will not this year in 2020. That’s when I experienced my, I became pregnant again, overjoyed excited, because at that point, it had been eight years since I was pregnant before and I…There was a part of me that didn’t really feel pregnant. I knew that I was because I had the positive test. But I just I didn’t feel the same.

I was at work one day and went to the bathroom. And I saw a very minimal spotting. like It wasn’t it was just very faint pink. It was like one little spot. But I caught my husband and I told him I said, I just went to the bathroom. And he noticed a very, very tiny spot, not even the size of the tip of my finger. He said, I’m coming to get you we’re going to the emergency room.

And in my mind, I was like well, I don’t know if is that, you know, I’m just letting you know. And then I’m scared to go to the emergency room because of my experience. And he’s like, I know, but let’s, I guess I’ll be right there with you. We have you know, we know what to look for what not to look for we know where to ask, we know how to have control. So I think it’s okay, we get there and I found out that my, I was experiencing a miscarriage. And this was traumatizing because I for anyone that has miscarried before, I thought a miscarriage was immediate.

Turns out, it can happen over the course of four days, two weeks, or a month. And basically what I had to do for the next four days was continue going to the hospital so they could check my HCG levels, which is the levels in the blood that determines whether or not you are carrying a baby, just to check because over time, it will decrease if I was in fact miscarrying, and it did and that right there to just continue going back like, okay, we haven’t completely Okay, come back tomorrow. And so that part was almost, in my mind, it was worse than before.

But the thing about 2021. So this is something else that I learned and kind of adapted. But I tell people when they ask, you know, when 2021 came from 2020 is okay, there was a question on social media. And it was like, you know, what was the best thing that happened to you in 2020? And my answer was that I got pregnant. And for anyone, when I responded on that post, a lot of people were aware that I lost that baby. So they were kind of confused. And I was like, Well, what you guys don’t understand what I got pregnant.

You know, and just the fact that I got pregnant, it means I can get pregnant again. And there’s just that hope there. And so it’s almost like the thing I lost in 2020 I also gained. Or the experience that I lost, there was still a gain in that because there was hope, there’s still hope. So that’s something else that I have taken and that I have adapted. So other than diet, just having strength, but not that whole I gotta be strong type thing, because I have my moments.

In 2020 I have about six or seven family members that became pregnant. Out of the six or seven about one of them wanted to the other five or six did not, and have openly said several times how they can’t stand their own kids and how they would never get pregnant again. That hit me hard because I’m like, okay, God, here I am a willing vessel to lend my vagina to create this life for you. And you give it to someone who wants to abuse it.

In my mind. That was how I thought that was, that was my, that was me. But again, I, I have my moments have my moments when I cry, my husband is there to support me. But I also am I able to move through the moments with hope. Because I know that I’m going to get pregnant again one day, I know I am. It’s just a matter of when but I know it’s all in, in in the timing of when it’s right. But until then, I’m just making sure that,

The vagina is like a mouth. Okay, and, and when I say it’s like a mouth, besides the fact that it looks like a mouth. But when we, when we feed ourselves, we feed ourselves through our mouths, the vagina is the same way. My part in this community right now is educating people about what they’re feeding the vagina. And so by feeding it’s, what are you, it’s not always what we’re putting in the mouth that’s connected to the head. So it’s not always the foods that we’re eating. But it’s what we’re feeding the vagina from the bottom up.

And so you know, a lot of like silk underwear, the the silks, the silk fabric has chemicals that aren’t safe for so it’s better to use cotton, it’s better to use cotton products. I know a lot of women now are using reusable pads. Now all cotton, all natural reusable pads, that’s a very, very safe way. The reason I preached so much about these products is because along with the IUD that I was using, we also found that I was starting to develop cysts that were benign, but could have been cancerous from the carcinogens from the brands or products that had the toxins.

So that’s just something I really want to enforce is like what are you washing with? How do you clean your vagina? There’s a company that I see on Facebook and women like are gung-ho over their products. I don’t know if I can say the name or not say the name like, but they make this company makes washes, lotions, very well known for candles. Just gonna put that out there.

But like, are we putting that on our vagina? Do we know what’s in those things? Do we know what causes the smells to be so grand? And yeah, this is something that you know, it smells good. But it’s like the worst for your vagina? Like, and when I say the worst? I mean, the worst is those products are worse than the sanitary napkins and tampons. But I see and it really it bothers me.

Sophia Wise One 

You know, and the vagina is actually, when you talk about the vagina being a mouth the tissue in the vagina is also like the mouth we secrete also absorb, you know. It’s highly absorbent area of the body, we can actually dose ourselves similar the way that you people can take medications through the anus or through the vagina, you can absorb into your bloodstream into your body and then also of course directly into the tissues themselves, right? Like a topical application, all of those things.

So yeah, and then being water soluble, right? If things are in a liquid form, the coating, the depth, the amount of exposure is even more so than say a solid object that’s fumigating or rolling, you know, so yeah,


Eden Edge 

Yep. Yep.

Sophia Wise One 

We’re taking right now. Yep, that’s the thing.

Eden Edge 

That’s the thing. Yep. Everything

Sophia Wise One 

And what I love about your packaging of Hygeniee is that there’s a lot of people that are interested in doing this differently, or open to doing it differently. But A) don’t know how, Or people, because I’m a huge like, what do I need to douche for like, I’m a wild beast, right? Like, I’m like that, like, my body smells the way it smells, because the right aligned lovers will think that I smell like the best thing in the world, right? It’s information, wisdom.

It’s not a problem that, you know, as long as I’m clean and healthy, there’s, you know, smells or discharge or things like that are not contradictory to healthy and well being. That’s where I am, right. But there’s a lot of people who want to do it healthy, but are not quite ready to step all the way out of cultural norms around care or things like that.

And so to have products that are safer for people who want to have that kind of, it’s like, for those, it’s, I feel like everybody who’s listening to the show, probably knows this, but maybe not. And if you don’t, it’s okay, it’s not a joke, like the vagina is a self cleaning organ, like you need to clean inside, like you don’t need to clean inside. And when things are out of balance, you can use treatments inside. But that’s different than kind of regularly cleaning inside.

And so learning that I just love that there’s such a way of this packaging, it has that for people that are still in a place of discrete, right? They’re not trying to like, I will, like walk into a herbal store now and talk to like a person who is like male presenting and be like, I’m looking for these four menstrual related things, you know what I mean? Boys for anyone to hear me, but I recognize that, like, that’s not how everybody’s moving through the world. And that’s okay, that’s okay. Right.

And so being able to have it be accessible, easy, and having the spectrum of things that you can, you know, you can have that kind of care. That’s, I love it. I love it. I love it, it feels really accessible. One of the things that I often I don’t know, wonder about myself is like, Am I too far out there, so that I lose a lot of people that are like, well, I can’t, I can’t even take a step in that direction.

Because all I’m not gonna be her, you know. And so I love things that are a thing that people can really take a step towards, without needing to think they need to become like, covered in dirt and having sex with like, eight people, while we like make prayers to the trees. I’m like, that’s a great way to spend the day. But like, you also could also just like not use carcinogenic douches, right?

Like, there’s a straight like, it’s like, I really it’s like whatever floats your boat, and taking care of your body being this restoration, moving out of a wounding into a balanced place, so that you can then do whatever you want to do with your vagina, you know, in that, like, whatever that is. So you don’t know exactly how I got there. But yeah, just that

Eden Edge 

I know, you’re fine. I get it.

Sophia Wise One 

It’s important, I really, you were talking you were talking about the things that are in these products and why it’s important to be aware, you know, I always said this, I’ve always loved health food stores. Because the, especially like the mom and pop health food stores, cause I have always like, it’s such a relief for me to be able to walk into a place and know that I could buy anything off the shelf. And it wouldn’t, it’s not going to actively hurt me.

And like, I think it can be intense for people to recognize how unsafe mainstream products can be for our body, right? It’s scary to kind of really look at that and go like, What do you mean, this is going to damage me even a little bit or a lot a bit like, it’s scary to admit that.

And, and so I just want to say like, that’s part of this, like, yeah, that’s we’re doing, we’re doing what we can to shift that as a collective right, so that you don’t have to just go to here or just go there to have things that are safe, like, hopefully, they’re all they’re all going to move into that safe realm. 

And as we make that choice as a collective, we do that with our wallets with our what we buy, where are we the choices that we make, and we have to educate each other to get there. That’s like absolutely what we’re, what we’re doing and what we need to do in this time. And that’s so much part of that personal power place that you were talking about.

Yeah, definitely. Definitely. It’s important.

Sophia Wise One 

I wanted to say something that was a little bit connecting back to your some of your personal shares around your pregnancies. One is I just again, this heart feeling of just going back to this eighteen year old and this 21 year old, pregnant with your boyfriend who you loved and love still now your husband. You know, I imagine the two of you, this is the same person who was there the first time you got your menarche or a different best friend.

Eden Edge 

Now this is a different that will my my best friend is not it’s not my husband. That was a different person.

Sophia Wise One 

It was your best friend and then you’ve got your your boyfriend who right? Okay? Cuz right titles in the stories, okay got it. So like your boyfriend’s here and you two obviously had a profound love than you still have one now a deep partnership, not just a love, but a partnership and a trust. And so I know there were so many other voices.

And I just want to be another voice that speaks into that moment that 18 year old and that 21 year old and says like, congratulations on your beautiful pregnancy, and the potency and power of your body, and the dedication and commitment in your partnership. Like, I just I that’s what I like,

Eden Edge 

Thank you,

Sophia Wise One 

You’re welcome. Congratulations, congratulations.

Eden Edge 


Sophia Wise One 

Congratulations. It’s beautiful. It’s beautiful. It’s beautiful. This idea that this world has about right order is it’s a it is it is rooted in lies that we don’t need to believe anymore. And I just so I just just to celebrate the truth of like, you know, there you are, and not just it’s like, there’s challenges in like pregnancy and birth and partnership at 18 and 28 and 68 and 88. You know, like there’s no, there’s no perfection, we’re just learning and growing.

And so to just honor that, like, that’s the walk that you did, and, and I and I think about this pregnancy journey that you’ve had since you’ve been married. And I just want to just bless that notion of like these, the way that people could celebrate you after being married is the way that I want to invite yourselves to celebrate the the pregnancies that you had before you were married.

Eden Edge 

Thank you, thank you. Yes,

Sophia Wise One 

For all of you know, it’s like and you’re telling this story, right? But there are so many people that have gone through this experience, you know, that are like this one’s good news. And this one’s bad news. And it’s like, shut the f**k up like that is get out of here.

This is this potency in the power of pleasure and beauty and children, and partnership and growth and learning that is full of brilliance and full of mistake. Always. Always, you know, and so the holiness and the intactness of that. Yeah, feels really important to me. And I feel really I feel like very honored to be able to, like offer a reflect or bring that into your soundscape and into the soundscape of, of my sweet listeners, our sweet listeners today in this moment.

Eden Edge 

Yeah, you have been wonderful. Thank you, like, people say words have power, your words have so much power.

Sophia Wise One 

Thank you, Eden. Thank you,

Eden Edge 

This is powerful.

Sophia Wise One 

Well, we are moving towards closing you’ll feel it. I feel it, listeners feel it. We’re in that place. I go ahead everybody make sure you check out the show notes we’ll throw in a link for the vagina museum. And we will also definitely throw in a link for Eden edges Hygeniee spot and I encourage you to go check it out for yourself and send it to your friends send it to your family.

The website’s beautiful, it’s really approachable. And it’s a really good way to help kind of bridge some of those people who might think we’re a little weird out in our edges. It’s it’s a beautifully beautifully crafted and, and curated resource place. So we’ll check all of that out. Is there anywhere else that you if people want to get in touch with you or people want to follow up or connect with you? Is there any particular way that you’d like people to find you or get in touch with you Eden?

Eden Edge 

Sure they can also have Instagram and it’s @Hygeniee , so that’s a great place you can DM me or just follow me I am not. I’m very reachable. So and I respond I like interaction. I like helping people. So if you just have questions or if you just want to know information, that’s where I’ll be I also have a blog on the website. And I try to blog at least once a month. I’m not a writer. I do not like writing but I understand that there are people that need the information, so offer it there. Also they I try to keep information there on my website as well.

Sophia Wise One 

Beautiful, awesome. And my closing question for Vagina Talks is I believe that we are all doing our part to weave and create and embody and to bring into being the world that we want for our children, the world that we want for ourselves. And I believe that you eat in our part of creating that world.

And so I asked you, what is that world that we’re looking to create look like, in its fullest embodied? Kind of bliss state? What’s the part that you see that you know, that if we were to walk into that landscape into that dream, made manifest? What does it look like? Sound like what’s happening? What do you know about where we’re going, what we’re building,

Eden Edge 

I see connection. I see connection, I visualize a chain link, specifically of women. Jesus, I’m sorry, there’s, there’s a moment right there. But I, we’re disconnected. I think the whole we go back to the original, you know, statement in this conversation with the vagina being where life enters and exits. When there is a disconnect, there, we are disconnected.

And when we’re disconnected from ourselves, we’re disconnected from each other. And then it’s a domino effect. And I see with this information with the information that you’re giving the information that anyone is givng on the health of vagina and how to know get back to that place where there is a connection, and there is a healthy flow, then we will be more in tune with ourselves to be more in tune with others to be more connected.

Sophia Wise One 

Love it, I’m there, I’m here for it. As you were speaking, I was reminded of one more teaching that came in that feels really ripe in this moment, as we talk about this restoration of body and, and connection, connection to ourselves connection with one another connection to to this world. And that is Tammy Kent one of my teachers, she’s done a lot of the pelvic floor and a lot of pelvic floor work. One of the things that she does with people is help people get that energetic, that soul connection that you talked about with their body, when a body part has been removed.

If someone only has one ovary or they don’t no longer have a womb, that we energetically still have that. That we don’t have to lose that in our energy body in our, in our flow in our presence, that soul energy that we can have that soul energy. And so I also want to really name those people who have that soul energy inside their body, who may not have all of those physical organs. So those people that have had confirmation surgery, and so they have a vagina, and the ovaries in the womb that are inside their body are energetically there.

And they may not be there physically, and they’re there. And that we get to or people who feel their vagina or all the ways in which people are those who have vaginas on the inside, don’t menstruate and feel their womb on the outside the sanctity and the care and all of the configurations and all of the different configurations and and all of the ways that these energies and that life force is yes, we talked a lot about pregnancy and birth and babies and the truth of that and the power of that. And I’m in my own awe of that right now with a new humans entering my life. And also the power of creation and lifeforce that in my deepest heart, there’s no hierarchy of that.

And that the gateway of intake and outtake of lifeforce and creation that comes through vagina that comes through the energetic womb, that can be the physical womb or beyond the physical womb. That’s this, the, the part that I’m weaving and seeing in this place that we’re going is the sanctity, the wholeness and the care, and all the configurations and all the constellations of the many ways in which we have these generative bodies where we have genitals in different forms and energies in different forms, but they’re cared for and the body is cared for and the energy is cared for. And so the life that we receive and the life that we create is caring cared for and absolutely echoing, like, rooted in that place of connection.

Eden Edge 

Yes, wonderful.

Sophia Wise One 

Eden. Thank you. So, so so so, so, so much for joining us today what a journey we’ve been on. Thank you, everybody and welcome. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. I got excited you were saying thank you. I just Okay. Take care of yourselves. We took a journey. If you felt feelings then you have felt feelings, which means energy is moving, you are healing. So I invite you to drink water. Eat nourishing food, take a walk, take deep breaths, do what you need to take care of yourself.

Call up a friend talk about what you felt or experienced write a letter and please take a snapshot of this episode tagged me in it or send me a DM as well. Let me know if there’s anything that came up that you want to know more about, or had feelings about. I’d be happy to hear from you. Oh, sweet, darling dears, thank you may we just absolutely continue to emerge into a world of well being in our bodies, and our hearts and with one another. Take care. Lots and lots of love.

Samantha Rise 

Thank you so much for listening.

Sophia Wise One 

Thank you so much. And thank you, Sam.

Samantha Rise 

Thank you Sophia.

Sophia Wise One 

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Samantha Rise 

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Samantha Rise 

Yeah, no, you need to hear that though.

You know, if you don’t know, now you know.

Sophia Wise One 

If you don’t know, now you know.

Samantha Rise 

Okay, now I’m so excited about four giant talks right now. Don’t pretend like you don’t know this is the best podcast you’ve ever listened to. Don’t pretend like you don’t know. You know