In this episode, Jen Amos and Sophia Wise One discuss the importance of being in tune with our inner child. Jen Amos shares stories from her childhood that inspire her life’s work in community relations. She states, “You know, it’s little moments that we minimize, that are really the biggest moments, you know, and I’m so glad to have that hypersensitive personality, you know, to be an empath, you know, for others, because I know what it’s like to not have that.?” Jen mentions how she is sharing my story and connecting with people to help liberate people who feel that they aren’t qualified or those who feel their story isn’t worth sharing.

Here’s a glimpse of what you’ll learn:

  • How to value and serve ourselves
  • How to acknowledge you functioning and care levels
  • How to listen to intuition and trust ourselves
  • How to build cofidence with our intuitive guide

Resources Mentioned in this episode:

About the Guest:

Jen Amos is an award winning podcaster, online entrepreneur, and (currently) a contestant on the reality podcast competition: America’s Next Top Podcaster.

Jen actively seeks to find common ground through conversation and storytelling to foster community and collaboration. She is known for her active listening skills, candidness, and ability to uncover powerful stories and universal lessons while conversing with her guests. Her favorite topics to cover on her podcast shows involve military families, entrepreneurs, women, and mental health.

Prior to podcasting and moving to the east coast, Jen received her Bachelor’s in Journalism emphasis Public Relations at San Diego State University. For a decade since, Jen has established a career in sales and in entrepreneurship with experience in the legal industry, online marketing, and now financial services.

Samantha Rise

I’m Samantha Rise, and welcome to vagina talks, where we speak about to from vaginas. This is a show of alchemy, where we turn poison into medicine, disconnection into wisdom and isolated wounds into communal peacemaking. Here’s your host, Sophia Wise One.

Sophia Wise One

You already know everything they could teach you you already know everything they could say. We are here to remind you what you already already already know.

I just want to take a minute to acknowledge that Vagina Talks understands that gender is fluid and dynamic and goes way beyond the binary of either woman or man, she or him. And that, in fact, it’s a living and evolving thing that’s actually personal person to person. And that our bodies, even our understanding, or the ways that we experience them can vary.

It’s important for me that that’s something that has space here on vagina talks. And at the same time, I also am carrying this understanding that womanhood and the experience of the feminine and all of the female, in the splitting of that binary, has been injured has been hurt has been dismantled.

And so I’m looking to have a space where the feminine and the female and the female body is reclaimed and respected and lifted and inspected and known, as well as a space that goes beyond the binary. And that acknowledges that these are limited constructs, mostly put upon us, and that we’re in the process of evolving into something more whole and more true.

Just wanted to say that some of my guests will use incredibly binary language for whatever reason from the places that they come from. And I just wanted to let you know that Vagina Talks has a much wider understanding, and it’s a living one. So feel free to chime in as we go along. Without further ado, today’s episode.

Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Vagina Talks. I am your host today. Many things aren’t we all think we’re so many things identity, the role that I’m playing at the moment is host of a podcast called Vagina Talks. They call me Sophia, Wise One and I’m happy to be with you today. Oh, my goodness, what is happening? Change is the thing. And if you’re just joining me today, then maybe I should let you know. That’s mostly what I’m talking about all the time.

And if you’re with me, then you’re with me for the ride. And you know that change is the name of the game change is the name and the song of life. That’s what living is it is shifting and changing. And as we move into greater alignment, it doesn’t seem that that change slows down. At times, it gets easier at times, it gets harder. And for me recently it has gotten faster we are in sometimes the Great Awakening or the great enlightenment that we’re in the midst of is also referred to as the quickening the phrase in the New Age world that talks about what it is to be in this great time of expansive consciousness. And one of the phrases is the quickening.

So if you’re feeling that quickening energy right now of like, Oh my gosh, has all of that happened since I woke up this morning. It’s been six days and one day, I just want you to know. Yes, it has. It’s been six days in one day. We have a guest here today that I’m really excited to share with you. We just have one of those connections that I know is going to be sweet. And I’m excited to see what comes out of it. Another visionary, precious, brave human bringing their creative self into the world. Jen Amos has been an entrepreneur since 2010.

Which for those of you who don’t know that is an…well everybody knows…and maybe you don’t. Being an entrepreneur is like a warrior class. The like nerd in me is what I mean it’s like it’s a magic class. It’s a warrior class. It’s a real thing. It’s a real training. It’s a real getting to know yourself process, a real awakening process, which includes sales and marketing experience in the legal industry, online marketing and now financial services. This is some concretized material stuff here. It’s powerful, powerful work.

She’s also been a podcaster since the summer of 2019 and enjoys talking about her personal experiences with military families, entrepreneurship, the POC experience and mental health. And when I asked Jen, what her vagina’s superpower was, she said, resilience. So Jen, welcome to the show.

Jen Amos

Hey, Sophia, thanks for having me. It’s great to be here.

Sophia Wise One

That’s really really good to just be together. I, you know, I’m sitting here and I’m like, you know, resilience is such a, such an incredible gift. And also a really been in my own softening right now, in this process of like softening in my body and softening in my heart really letting my heart heal, really letting my heart open really choosing the courage to like, I’m going to let myself soften, right.

And to say like, true resiliency, I think is very, like dynamic, right? It’s like very it has a lot of give back has a lot of softness to it. That’s like part of the factor, you know, but just I really been dreaming into the world where we don’t have to, like, be so smart at getting through. You know what I mean?

Jen Amos

I think when the way when you think of when you say that, be so smart, like we don’t have to be so smart to get through the way that I interpret that is to kind of live life anyway, despite not knowing all the answers. So that’s how I interpret what you just said.

Sophia Wise One

Fair, totally fair. Yeah, I just, I feel like there’s this aspect of, well, it’s like, I think now I’m like, my brain is going so it’s like the divine feminine, or like the great mother the great I’m like really in this mother healing zone that’s happening right now. And it’s, it’s really happening around me I have, it’s happening with a number of people that I live with right now.

And I did a card reading for someone this week. And, and his theme was mother and learning how to, like mother and care for and like the mothering to me as an archetype or as a role of particular kind of caregiving, and, and listening as a kind of like listening and presence and all of that. And so there is this part of me that just is like, why is I really feel like, Why does it have to be so hard?

Like, and like, maybe it doesn’t. And I think that’s what I’m dreaming into is like the paradigm or the concept or like my own healing of like really stepping into what does it look like and feel like? And how is it possible? We’ve been so convinced that like abuse, war, rape, trauma, like all that these things are normal, and then we just have to get through them. And I really think this is a big piece of the abolish the police thing of just being like, well, we have to protect stuff. And it’s like not if we stop being so fucking destructive actually, like, there’s like, there’s another whole nother thing, a whole nother way of seeing the world or experiencing the world that then requires a different kind of protection or showing up.

Jen Amos

Yeah, absolutely. When you said Why is it so hard? Were you kind of asking why healing is so hard, like why that process is so hard.

Sophia Wise One

I was saying like, why is it so hard? I was saying like, why is the dominant culture such a fuckin torrent torturer like it? You know, like, why did that catch on? You know, why is that been the…

You know, I think in general, I think that life is suffering. I think I mean, otherwise, we would be in another universe where we don’t have to suffer. And I think if we can accept that feeling of why is it so hard, may not go away, but at least it could be more manageable, like saying that to ourselves like this is rather than saying this is so hard, it doesn’t have to be our hang up. It doesn’t have to be our excuse. You know, if anything, it’s our motivator, right? To reduce the suffering. You know, yeah, the catalysts.

Totally, reduce the suffering, right? To what end? And I think that’s the part that I’m like challenging myself, or inviting or giving myself permission to go so far out to be the like to really, really be the idealist to be like the radical visionary that’s like, how about this becomes the other universe, or the other dimension, where suffering is no longer the catalyst of growth and evolution?

What if we are the landscape in which it’s possible in our imaginations, or there’s multiple dimensions? Let’s co-create the dimension where that happens here. That’s like the level I’m like, that’s where I am right now. That’s the level that I’m at right now.

I like that. Because I think that you could, you could sit with your suffering, or you can, you know, find healing. And in that I do believe that if you could find healing for yourself, or at least manage that suffering, you can do it for other people as well. You know, and I think that’s what we’re doing on this earth is turning our pain into a passion for self-healing, for, you know, for self-healing and to be of service to other people, because I even think for myself, like when I’m in pain when I’m suffering, I almost always feel so much better if I can share that with other people. And if I can help people who can relate to that story.

Absolutely, absolutely. What are you alchemizing? Either, like, what’s one that you feel really strong about? That you can be like, this was one pain that I that really showed me a thing, or what is getting alchemized. When I say alchemy, I mean, like a turning point of pain into a passion, right? Like, what’s that pathway for you? If understanding for me understand that there are many pathways and they’re not right or wrong, right?

But I’m looking at like, just like the ecstasy pathway, then we could just, like, have more arrows and ecstasy and kindness and like, amazing nourishment. And that would like, blow our minds and change our lives. Like it does. Like, we know that, you know, it’s like, we’ve all that’s not true. I am so blessed. I have had meals that have changed my life, nourishing food, that’s like, every bite is like, my concept of what reality was, was no longer the same afterwards, you know? And, and that changed me, right. And so there’s like that thing.

So knowing that there’s many pathways and without needing to say, pain is right, and ecstasy is wrong, or ecstasy is right, and pain is wrong. what’s what’s something that again, either that feels like you’re like, this is a great example of like, what I’m talking about, or what’s alive for you right now. That’s in that process of that you’re working?

Yeah, I think the the biggest thing for me that I’m working through right now is simply showing up, like showing up like having more of a presence online, to show up in conversations like this completely unprepared, yeah, to just be here with you and speak my truth and share my story in the way that makes most sense in this context. And for me, this is coming from a place where, and my coaches in the past have told me where I felt like I was disappearing.

Jen Amos

And the catalyst for that where I started to feel like I was disappearing goes back to when I was really young when I unexpectedly lost my dad at 10 years old. So he was on he was active duty military, in the Navy. And he was about 18 years in, so he was basically two years away from retiring. When he just went missing. Like he was on a ship, he was on the USS Kitty Hawk. And I think the next day they’re taking attendance, they couldn’t find him. They sent a search crew for three days. In the I think it’s oh my gosh, it says Pacific Ocean.

And, and yeah, they couldn’t find him. And I think that really set up my path where, you know, my dad, even though he wasn’t around a lot, because he was in the military. And he was gone months at a time. I never felt his absence, I felt his presence when he was around. And I think when I lost him, there was a part of me that felt like, I couldn’t get that from, you know, that feeling that love that he gave me from anywhere else. And from then on, I had found myself in a series of abusive relationships in within my family and outside of my family.

I felt like and also with my military child background and moving every two to three years. Once we got settled in San Diego, California, I’m in Virginia Beach right now. But I remember, like, I just didn’t care to intentionally make friends anymore. I was just kind of drawn to people who are narcissists where I made them feel good about themselves because I was always supportive. I was always there, I always validated them, you know?

And anyway, fast forward to fast forward to like, you know, really the last five years or so, I realized that not like I realized not valuing myself, wasn’t serving me and it wasn’t serving the people that I was serving when I was like being in business for myself. And nowadays, I’m on this path to just show up. Like, it sounds so simple, but it’s so, it’s a bold act for me to just show up. And, you know, something to like, amongst a lot of my peers is that I think a lot of us had felt that we need to be qualified a certain way.

We need to be qualified, we need to be a certain person to show up. And I’m here saying well I’m here anyway, I’m here, whether I’m qualified or not, and it’s been an amazing experience. Just doing that. Like just being present, and through that, and sharing my story and connecting with people such as yourself, Sophia to realize that, you know, I have a story that is worth sharing. And I have some wisdom and knowledge and experience that could be of service to other people.

Sophia Wise One

Yeah, showing up is sometimes I really use it as the phrase to like, describe it all, like showing up like it really is that phrase makes a lot of sense to me has a lot of meaning to me, I think is a very is a very powerful, it’s a very powerful call. It’s really powerful call.

What’s the thing? What’s like the wisdom that you find yourself? Like, like, always coming back to to sharing with people? Do you know what I mean? I mean, do you have like some things that you like, tend to kind of?

Yeah, I have two things. So it depends on the audience. So if you are a person of faith, I, I like to use, I like to always refer to the Bible verse, Ecclesiastes 3, which is a little poem that talks about how there’s a time and place for everything, like there’s a time to be happy, there’s a time to be sad, there’s a time to build, there’s a time to destroy, there’s a time to love, there’s a time to let go.

Jen Amos

That’s not verbatim, by the way, I’m just summarizing it. And what I take from that, is that, because there’s a time and place for everything, I don’t have to know everything, I just have to show up. And the other one for secular for our secular audience would be by Mother Teresa. And this is what helps me reset every day or whenever I feel anxious. And it goes, yesterday has gone tomorrow has not yet come. We only have today, let us begin.

And it just reminds me, you know, with whether it’s that Bible verse or that quote, where it’s like, this is this is all we have, right now. Right? You know, like, this is really all we have is this moment. And, and I could live this moment, being regretful of what I did yesterday, or in my past, or I could be anxious about the uncertainty of what’s to come ahead, given our current interesting times. Or I can focus on this very moment. And do my best to be of service in this moment with, you know, the resources I have, or the people that I’m in front of, etc, or the time that I have to do this.

Sophia Wise One

Yeah, the things that keep us here, right. Like, it reminds me of the like, in one hand, like, the world was made for me, and to hold another hand, from dust, I came into dust, like the dust you came into us, you shall return you know, that like, and they’re, they’re both true, right?

So like, how is it that I show up knowing that I am the center of my universe, because I am. Like, just turns out, like, you don’t have to make yourself do this interview, you just admit that you are the center of your own universe, and you can start to really respect yourself and other people and recognize it, like literally everyone else is also the center of their own universe, that that’s just what is happening. And, and so there’s like that piece.

And then also to be like, and like, what are we in the, in the blink of everything like that? That, you know, that’s it’s a different way of what you’re talking about. But for me, it does that same thing of just like, in some ways, it’s like, I’m, like, huge and powerful, and I’m, like, so tiny and insignificant. And, and when both of those things are true. It’s just, it’s just this, it’s just here. It’s just now it’s like, it’s like, just in this place.

Jen Amos

Yeah, yeah. And I think also acknowledging that there are, there are multiple things that can coexist, like, I could be present, but I can also be feeling my feelings of sadness, or my feeling of anxiety. Rather than saying, I’m not anxious, I’m happy, I’m happy. I’m always happy, you know, like, I’m not gonna, because to me, that is a form of denial. It’s saying, Yeah, I’m here. I’m also anxious. I’m also sad, and you know, everything and just being being okay with that.

Sophia Wise One

And is that something that you had to learn? Or is that something that you kind of inherently had? Or where did you get that because that’s like, a, like a little progressive, right for a lot of the culture, a lot of the world out there to be able to be allowed to be who you are, to feel however you feel as a way of being present and contributing to a to a space.

Jen Amos

Yeah, I think it’s, I think it’s a very bold thing to do and to be I could, I’m aware of that I definitely have had people in my life where and and for the lack of better explanation where they just fought so much. They fought so hard to keep their victimhood. You know, they fought so hard to say, but because of this or because of that I can’t be that, like, this is where I’m at, like, this is all this is all I can be. And I have to be okay with that.

You know, I there are those type of people in my life and so, but I choose to think differently. And part of that comes from, I think it really losing my dad was like the major catalyst but I had found even in my upbringing when my dad was around, there was a lot of things that were left unanswered for me growing up.

So for example, my whatever, whatever reason, we always had like a dog at home. And as soon as I think I’d fall in love with it, it was gone. Like there was no explanation of what happened to this dog. Like, I think my parents are fostering or something. I don’t know. And then I would ask my dad, I’d say dad would happen to I think her name was Sarah, my dog Sarah was like, what happened to Sarah? He was like, Oh, I took her to the ship and she fell off.

Like he said that jokingly, okay, and mind you, I was like, like, five at the time I remember this. And, and then other things, too, that were left on an unexplained to me like death. I remember in our house, way back when we found a turtle just outside of our house, and we kept it. And we didn’t know how to I didn’t know how to take care of a turtle like at all like a red eared slider, we thought Oh, let’s put in a bowl of water, like that’s my knowledge of raising a red eared slider.

And it ended up dying. Of course, I think I think it like died of dehydration and food and other things. And I think my parents just threw it away. And then there was another experience where we caught a mouse. And I watched it, like, eventually die. Like I just saw, I saw its hands come together and you know, side and just die, unexplained. And then losing my dad and not knowing the answers, you know, and even till this day, we don’t know.

So a lot of my life actually, before I got to this place of presence and acceptance for things and being okay with not knowing at all. It comes from like, after having lost my dad, I was a completionist like, I would try to what like complete video games 100%. You know, I try to get every nook and cranny open every chess figure out every puzzle, for example, like I would obsess with video games, I would obsess with books, like I would obsessed with completing things.

And I, I was what they called a questioner, I would ask a million questions, and I’d be that person are like, Okay, can you stop asking questions, kind of person. And eventually, I came to a place where and this has a lot to do with a lot of the work that I’ve done through spiritual coaching and therapy and counseling. And I’ve done a lot of different types of coaching. And even just having mentors in my life, I came to a place where I just realized it was no longer serving me to always try to find answers.

Like if I was going to spend the rest of my life finding answers, and I wasn’t really going to live my life I finding answers is almost like trying to understand the past. So I wasn’t really living in the present. I was so fixated on, on finding answers of what happened as if that would fix things. Because even if I do find out, it still happened, right? It’s still happened.

So I don’t know exactly where or how how I got to that place. I’m trying to remember when it like really clicked in me, I would just have to say it was in the recent, I’d say like three to five years. Where I just started to become more present, and I started to notice people in my life who are not as present, it was very humbling for me, you know, to try to at least be that example for them you know, in that moment.

I think it’s a combination of my own self healing and being there for other people that I think it was, you know, it doesn’t just click i think it’s progressive. It’s a daily practice, right? And even till this day, I’m still practicing that, like, I’ll still have anxiety, I’ll still, you know, deal with depression. I think it’s more about nowadays, it’s rather than denying it, it’s, it’s sitting with it, you know, because to me, those those strong feelings are really, I’ve come to learn my inner child screaming at me.

You know, saying, Jen, I’m upset right now, and I need you to hear me, because that’s one thing that I lost, I think, in losing my dad was that I didn’t have an ally for my younger self. And, you know, fortunately, through the work, the good work that I’ve done the inner work, I’ve been able to establish a very intimate relationship with my inner child. And whenever I feel those triggering emotions, I just check in with her.

So you know my name, you know, my name is Jen, but my full name is Jennifer. And, you know, my family. Well, only my family calls me Jennifer and I sort of abandoned that name, you know, as I became an adult, and so, my inner child’s name is Jennifer. So I’ll say Jennifer, like what’s going on? Why are you giving me an attitude right now? You know, and what I find is that she really sets the example for me to be present to say, Hey, this is how I’m feeling right now. And I need you to sit with this with me. Like I need you right now, Jen. So, yeah.

Sophia Wise One

I need you right now, Jen. Just want to just take a moment like all of us, I think, like my lit like, you listening? Like, I just want to take a minute, like, invite you, Jen to like, I don’t know, ask Jennifer, what’s happening. I’m going to ask Sofia, what’s happening right now and invite my listener to take a minute and just like, look around. And if you’ve never done this before, you can just like, take a breath and just get curious and just like, say, like, what’s happening, or if you have a connection, and just go ahead and get a connection and just take a few breaths.

And just like right now, in this moment, and so and I just want to give permission of like, it doesn’t always have to be like bad or hard. And it can, it can be challenging. Like it can be anything. So we’re just going to take a moment right here to just I’m going to do I’m talking, so I’m going to do it. We’ll take a moment to just kind of see what our sweet babes got to say.

Jen Amos

Yes. Okay. She’s already yelling in my ear.

Sophia Wise One

So good. Okay, go first. I just need a second.

Jen Amos

Yeah, yeah, no, for sure. No, Jennifer is really happy to be here. She wants to take the microphone away from me. She’s like, Jen, I’m so glad you brought me up. She’s sassy. sassy. She’s like, I’m so glad you brought me up. Let me tell you. I like this show. It’s so cool.

Sophia Wise One

Okay, I’m ready. Take the mic. I got my connection. She’ll go next. Jennifer? No, no, it’s Oh, no, it’s Jennifer’s for is Jennifer all the way. I want Jennifer. Go ahead, Jennifer. Jennifer, you have the mic. We’re listening. We’re glad you’re here. I’m really glad you’re here. Jennifer, what what would you like to share?

Jennifer Amos

I just want to share, who’s Jennifer speaking, she’s like, I just want to share how grateful I am that Jen remembered me. Because a lot of our time together, especially when Jen was younger, was her ignoring me. And I’m just so glad that in a lot of the things that she does today, she’s always she always makes it a point to include me in her decision making. And if she doesn’t, I let her I remind her that I’m around. And I’m just so glad that she notices me more quickly than she used to.

And she doesn’t dismiss me. Jen acknowledges me. And sometimes Jen laughs like she gives me this funny face. Like what do you want now, Jennifer? But either way, I’m glad that she does that. Because, you know, I am her. And she is me. And I’m just looking out for us. Looking for out for us. And you know, letting her know that she matters because I matter.

Jen Amos

Like Jennifer is just very, she’s just very, very confident. She’s like, I matter. So therefore you matter, Jen. So don’t forget that. And you need to show up for me because you’re older than me, Jen. And people are gonna listen to you more than me because I’m a kid, right? People don’t listen to kids. So you got to represent me. You know, I think Jennifer’s like the puppeteer. And I’m really the puppet. But that’s what Jennifer’s saying. And she says hi. And she says thank you for letting her speak. This is actually her first podcast show.

Sophia Wise One

Jennifer Welcome! We’re so happy to have you!

Jen Amos

Yeah, that’s what she’s saying right now. She’s like, Oh, this is really she’s like, shy, right? She’s like, Oh, my God, like, I can’t believe I just came out like that, you know, because she usually doesn’t get the limelight. You know, she’s usually just kind of being that advisor totally in my head. So you know, now if like, if you were to visualize this, she’s kind of like hiding behind my leg, like hugging my leg kicking out like, you know, Tell, tell Sophie, I said this. But thank you for letting her speak.

Sophia Wise One

Oh, my gosh, what a treat. And I’ll just she can stay hiding. There’s like, No, I don’t you know what I mean, she can just she can hear my voice from here. So like no pressure. I just want her to know that she did a great job, that I’m really glad she did a great job. You did a great job. And everything you shared is really going to help other people too. And so I’m really glad that you came on the show. And we’re brave and I’m glad that you have Jen take care of you. I that makes me really happy. I’m glad that she’s doing that.

Jen Amos

She’s saying thank you and she’s acting really cute and blushing right now. She’s like, she was like, you know, she’s being cute about it. She’s like, oh, like, oh me? Now she just wants to run off. She’s like, Okay, I’m done.

Sophia Wise One

I’m right. That’s I mean, that’s such it’s like that moment of like, that’s what it’s like when we give space to that. It’s like it doesn’t take, so rarely does it take 14 hours. It’s like seven minutes of that aspect is so much, so much time. I mean, this wasn’t even seven minutes, right? It’s like, dude, half minutes, like, Okay, I’m satisfied and fulfilled so much of us, so much of our needs and our expression are, I think that I always try.

That’s like, one of the things I really like, encourage people being like, learning the skill, takes some time getting that connection, like all of that, but it’s, once you have it, and even as you do it, it always takes way less time than the time that it costs you by not doing it.

Jen Amos

Oh, so true. I think that we Yeah, we waste more time. resources and energy, when we don’t address it, you know, at least in the context of this conversation. If we don’t address our inner child right away. You know, they’ll act out. Children act out.

Sophia Wise One

Laaaawd! That’s the truth. Yeah. Yeah, that is true, she will let me know, I’ll tell you what, my inner child, “little” like, “my little”. So that’s how I refer to her “little Sophia” or my little, my little wants everybody to know that. This summer, when we moved to Maryland, and I got to be naked, like all day, every day outside was the best thing that ever happened, except for all the other great things that have ever happened. And that it’s really joyful.

And in the first few days, she would get like, I would get both of us would get like tweaked out by like bugs, you know, but like, being like, Oh, you know, like, not all of them. But some of them will get surprised or like, whatever. And then it was, it was so clear to me that was just like, within a couple days how much my body and being was like, Oh, I know how to be outside. I know how to be naked outside like, I pee outside more now. Like, just like where I live. That was one of the hardest thing.

So I grew up in Philadelphia, and then I’m, I’ve lived a lot of places, but when I lived in New Mexico, that was one of the places where I really for two years, like really just a normal base of being when not just when you’re like not in town, but like when you go anywhere else. If you need to pee, you can just like pee because it’s just miles and miles of land. You know of like plants and animals and spread-out-ness, you know, and when I would come back to cities, and I would be walking on the street and I would need to pee. It was like so disorienting.

I was like, What do I What do I have to have to find a building and if it goes through multiple doors that I have to like, talk to someone if I can use their bathroom? Like I can’t but like can I just be in that dirt and being like, no, Sofia, there’s millions of people here if everyone just peed in that dirt, it’d be it’d be not good situation. I’m going like, Okay, I gotta like find a bathroom, you know, but that’s really I feel like that. That has been my little has just been like, I’m so happy. I’m so happy and my little also as I say, I love that I get to change my outfits like a million times like that I get naked and then when I do feel like putting clothing on I can just grab a new piece of clothing has been like really sort of.

So she’s really appreciated the warmth and like comfortability because I get cold so actually kind of needs to be like a hot summer for me to be able to be naked for just like actual naked naked. So she’s just really been appreciating that and really Oh, hi bird on the window sill. So that was what she wanted to she really wanted to celebrate my nakedness my like letting her really be naked and to make that a priority and to navigate living with new people.

And being like, on day one being like so. What’s your vibe on like? Nakedness? Like, in the pool? In general? Like, what’s the word? You know? And the word was like, do your thing and I was like, Alright, so like the first night here it was like tits out nips out it was just like, all right. It’s so good. And I think for me, it’s really helped me feel at home.

Jen Amos


Sophia Wise One

You know, like I’m not in someone else’s space because my body can be the way that my body wants to be. Right like that’s like, I want to be I want to be naked or I want to be covered because my body wants to be naked or covered not because something not because someone outside me needs me to be covered.

Jen Amos

Wow, that’s powerful.

Sophia Wise One

Yeah, I mean that shift so anybody listening if you want to like send me a message or like post or whatever, like like DM me or like send a message to like, Jen and I would love to know when you checked in with your little like, what did they have to say? Right now today, you know, like I’m having that moment of being like, isn’t, are we live? Can somebody like, what do you? What do you? Tell me… I really am like really curious, like, I want to know like, what is your? What is your smumpkin? What is your sweet little smumpkin say?

Yeah, it’s powerful integrating that deep listening has been an incredibly transformative and an effectively transformative journey for me, essential.

Jen Amos

I think it’s very liberating. And because I think, you know, you enter this world alone, you’re gonna, you’re gonna leave this world alone. And you know, you do have to depend on yourself at some points I think about I just think about how most my upbringing, after I lost my dad, I had to learn to be there for myself emotionally, because my family is very task oriented, you know, very like food on the table, like, make sure you have a roof over your head, like, go to school, get a job, etc, etc.

And although all of that is great, and I’m absolutely appreciative that they’ve instilled that in me to value my basic needs, Jennifer still existed, you know, Jennifer still wanted that emotional support, she still wanted to be heard, she still wanted to be validated. And I in a way, I feel fortunate for my circumstances growing up, because I wouldn’t have built that type of relationship with her if I was already given that externally. And I appreciate a lot because I’m able to be that kind of that emotional strength for a lot of people in my life.

And it’s a gift, I think it’s really a gift to be present with someone and to kind of pick up the little things they say, and the little things they don’t say, and say like, hey, like I could tell it sounds like you’re minimizing how you feel right now. And, you know, I think in most environments, most people would ignore that. But I see that, and I’m here for you, if you want to talk about that little moment. You know, it’s a little moments that we minimize, that are really the biggest moments, you know, and I’m so glad to have that hypersensitive personality, you know, to be an empath, you know, for others, because I know what it’s like to not have that.

I so know what it’s like. And yeah, I just, I think about it all, I think of my upbringing, and, you know, bringing Jennifer on the show and, and she’s happy about it, too. She’s like, yeah, like, share, share us to the world. We’re awesome. That’s what she’s saying. She’s like, let’s share love. Let’s validate everyone. I was like, Jennifer, we can’t validate everyone. I mean, some people don’t want it. But yeah, we’ll do our best.

Sophia Wise One

Right? Oh, that’s so good.

Jen Amos

She’s a dreamer. You know what I mean? She’s just like, we’ll do it all, like, go out there. So, yeah.

Sophia Wise One

Amazing. One of the things that came up while you said all of that is like, that healing journey or the vulnerability like I know especially like in the world that I grew up this like, artsy hippie landscape that I grew up in, there were a lot of people who their parents, like, taught them how to like, say, I statements and like, listen to their feelings, but like, did not teach them to, like, value their own basic needs or keep, like a keep a clean, organized home that can make space for their creative energies, or, you know, and I don’t want to knowing that all of those things are varied, but like, I’m not talking when I say like a, like a clean, organized home. I don’t mean like, this pick this magazine perfect clean.

And I just mean, like, you know, there’s like functioning, it’s like levels of function and care, you know, and yeah, and that, the healing of that and the tending of that inner child. That was the other thing that came up for me when I was like, What is my inner child grateful for today, and she’s really grateful that I like, paid a bunch of bills, and that I like called numbers I like called and stood up for myself because whatever, whatever, some cause somebody told me, I could leave there, my car parked in a parking lot. And then a week later, I showed up and they towed it.

And, and so I called him was like, Hey, you towed my car, like, that’s, I had to pay to get my car back. Like, how about that, you know, and they were like, No, you left your car here. And I was like, okay, but like you told me I could leave my car here. So you don’t have this conversation. And I knew intuitively from the get that they were not going to pay for the towing. Like I just knew that and so I was not going to do anything about it. But I really felt this guidance that I needed to show up to it.

And I showed up to it and I filed an official complaint or like action request or something got ignored, followed up again, and got a phone call got yelled at and hung up the phone and my little kind of had this moment or just being like, Oh my god, she was so mad at me like the general manager was like, nobody would approve you parking your car for a week in my lot. Like, basically it was just like, no. And I was like, sounds like a miscommunication. And she was like, I’m sorry. And I thought in my head, you don’t sound sorry, you know, and, and then she said, Okay, and then clicked, that was like, the end of the conversation.

And so I was sitting there, and I was like, Okay, I was just kind of like sitting with that. And then as I walked outside, my friend Leah, she’s an ongoing, deep presence in my life. So she pops up on the show, Leah Moon, she looks at me, and she goes, don’t you want to, she was kind of wanting to be gentle, like not telling me what to do. But also seeing that I was like, she walked into the room.

And I was like, I just got yelled at by a stranger because I had to get my car back. But I was like, I was like that I’m just having a moment, you know, just having a moment. And, and she was like, Don’t let it get stuck in your body, maybe run around the house or like, do a thing. And I was like, okay, that’s wisdom. Like, that’s some good. That’s some good advice, you know, so I like, put the stuff down and stood up and walked outside.

And as I walked outside, I could feel my little feeling so grateful that her innocence, like the part of me that called and said, like, because I did call ahead and say, Can I leave my car there? And they were like, Yeah, sure. Not a problem, you know, and everybody I talked to was so casual about it, that I just, I didn’t really do, I wasn’t really thorough about it. You don’t I mean, I wouldn’t talk we didn’t, we didn’t go over it. They didn’t get my information. You know, there was like, lots of like, I would do differently now. Right? You know, like, I see now, like, hindsight is 2020 right? Really, really clear some really basic things.

But my inner child, I could really feel the part that a few days earlier, when I had come up the way that I was like, I really felt like, dumb and like, I shouldn’t have been so trusting. I think that I shouldn’t have been so trusting, you know? And like, I needed to be more thorough, you know, and my little, just felt so glad that I validated the validity of her innocence. Right? Like, I just wanted to call and say, like, you told me, I could leave my car there. Like, can I get like, Can I get some acknowledgement that like, that is what happened, like, I believed you, and then you towed my car, you know, and it wasn’t anything other than I was so surprised, but like, not surprised, but I didn’t see that coming. I didn’t see the way that I there was this part of me this tender, tender part of me that was like, thank you for not making my innocent-trusting the problem?

Jen Amos

Yeah. Yeah, I hear that. Because you did ask. You did ask if you could leave your car there. They said yes. And then they tow your car. And rather than blame your little, it’s like, oh, you trusted it too easily. It’s like, No, no, you You fought for her. Right and fought for her. And you said like, no, I specifically, I recall that I asked if I can park here. And you said yes. And I’m proud of you for that. Because I I can imagine in those moments where I would blame myself like, oh, man, I was too careful. I didn’t read the route rules too well, like I must have missed, misunderstood. It was my fault. It was my fault. Right. But you didn’t do that to your little. And I applaud you for that.

Sophia Wise One

Thank you. Yeah, I really authentically landed in a place of like, miscommunication. Like the people that I was talking to was not the woman who called me it was not the general manager. Right. It was like other It was like another person like me, that was like, yeah, no big deal. It’s cool. We were all like, yeah, it’s cool. It’s a cool lady, you know, and like, that was a different level of responsibility than the general manager who’s like, having to, like, I’m not the only car that this person has to, like, tow out of that lot. People take advantage people do a thing people don’t like,

Like, this person had a whole other framework to navigate what happened but me and the people that I communicated with, had a very different experience and it just be like, that’s just a way to crumble sometimes like that’s alright, you know and the grown up in me took some notes, right? The drone with me was like, Alright, I can do this differently. Like I can, like, I can be a little more thorough to like, not get my s**t towed. Like, that’s fine. I don’t mind I can learn that. That’s alright. That’s alright. That’s alright. I got my car back is okay. It’s okay, you know.

But to not to not make myself a problem was huge and I didn’t know that I needed to stand up for her to really validate that experience and not just say to say a nice thing to myself. You know, I think that’s something that as we’re as we do this journey of like, really healing with our energy children is to know that like, it’s not just the nice things we say to ourselves, it’s the actions that we take, like, my little was like, thank you for paying the bills, like, thank you, you’ve been carrying around these bills. You’ve been carrying back taxes for 2018. You know, just like just those little like, this little, like, what do they call it an assessment, the gap?

I like paid my taxes, but they were like, we think you should pay as a different amount of taxes. And I was like, Okay, yeah. So I’ve been carrying this around for months, like, I’ll get to it, I’ll get to it, this or that, whatever. You know, and I sat down today and I shred it’s like, I sat down with a stack of paper and like, shredded, 90% of it and filed six pieces. And you know, put some things in the mail and my little feels like I imagine how most littles feel the first time someone not the first time but like the like as you really build the trust, that kind of meticulous, grown up grounded care. I’ve done as an adult in a very like wrestling anxiety way for most of my adulthood. It’s had a lot of like, spin out energy to it of just being like my taxes.

Why do it like just like, really been back painful of just being like, I can’t manage money. But then it’s like, I’m smart. Like, I can sit down and like I do I have the skills. I know how to do math. I can like make a spreadsheet like, yeah, so many spreadsheets. But then and this is like a pretty classic moment of like, hashtag ADD of just like, you know, which I didn’t even know that I, you know, was that that was everything about these behaviors were classic. And that and I just hadn’t been taught that I just thought every day I was having a hard day. Like I was just like, I’ll just because I was I’m like I’m I get it. But why is it so hard?

And so a few years ago, I figured that out. And I went to this very cool process, which I had done with other diagnoses where I’m like, because I end these diagnoses with like, disorder or dysfunction. And I’m like, you wrong. It’s not functioning right now. But it’s not because like, I I’m not like attention deficit disorder, I’m a kinesthetic nonlinear, problem solving, brilliant, socially oriented being. That’s actually what I am.

Which means like, spreadsheets takes extra effort. Like, that’s not a problem. Like, it’s not a problem for people who have like, who, who don’t instinctually read facial cues. And they need to learn how to read the chart, because it turns out, you can read a chart, and then you can really navigate stuff, you know, like it’s not a problem, you just learn the things that you don’t inherit, like I have these gifts, and then I have this new folder, you know, and so yeah.

So what I’ve done with diagnoses, I did this with my pmdd, premenstrual dysphoric disorder. And really horrible PMS. For those of you who don’t know, I have plenty of episodes about this, but, you know, one of the things that I did, which is like, I don’t know, if I recommend it to other people, it’s like, let me tell you where I got to after, but I had to do it for myself, which was stop using my coping mechanisms. And see how I naturally did things, to then see what i did naturally, and what I missed naturally because my coping mechanisms were always crushing me. So I didn’t know what I actually was naturally good at.

And, yeah, and so I had to, like figure out by experiencing it myself. And so I had a long, long journey with my like, PMS stuff around that. But with the ADD, I was just like, Alright, I’m not going to make myself the way that I would like, make myself manage myself, I’m not going to make myself do these things. I’m just going to kind of do, I’m going to do it. Like, it doesn’t matter, and see what my life looks like, in six months, like, what gets done and what doesn’t, and how does it get done? And how does it not, and like a lot of things went to s**t, you know, and, and a lot of other things got done in a completely different way than I ever would have managed myself into getting them done.

And so I realized that I did have a way that was productive. It was way more circuitous, like the way that I organize or clean a room like I will, I was when I was moving into this room, there’s a bunch of furniture in here that had not been cleaned, or was covered in stickers from like, you know, 40 years ago or something, you know, and I’m unpacking my stuff, right. And so I’m like, halfway through unpacking, and then I’m like, I’m gonna clean all the stickers off this furniture.

And so it’s like, eight boxes that are half unpacked, and I’m like, scrubbing like this, you know, and then like, stopping me like, Oh, I gotta answer that email. And then I answer that email. And someone else looked at me like, Oh, my God, like, you’re gonna drive yourself crazy. And I’m like, No, this is I was like, and then you come here now like two weeks later, and you’re like, holy shit, it looks like you’ve lived here for, like you’ve always lived, like, you look so settled. And it’s like, Yeah, because I have a way. But I have to, I actually have to follow it all the way through.

And there are certain things that I need to do. Like I need to write things down to remind myself, I do need to like to reorient or to pick a particular thing, prioritize. Like, I was able to see the things that did get done, and then see the things that didn’t and then be like, Okay, so how can I use my natural rhythm, but plug in the gaps, because those are not those aren’t working, and I want them to work, you know, and so, on a long journey, have that and building trust with myself around that. And that’s been just a few years that I’ve been doing that. And so I still have these moments like this year, for the first time ever. I filed my taxes a month and a half early.

Jen Amos

Good for you.

Sophia Wise One

I paid my quarterly taxes early.

Jen Amos

Like the funny thing for me is like, this is the first year and even though we had months to like, you get an extended right, yeah, like I still had to get an extension like this is the first year I’ve ever, like, asked my tax preparer for an extension. I don’t know what it is. It’s just really interesting times, but I’m usually on point about doing taxes. Yeah, but they should this year, I’m just like, like, does it matter?

Sophia Wise One

What doesn’t matter anyway?

Jen Amos

Like, I’ll get to the end, you know, the IRS anyway, is taking forever to give everyone’s tax refund because they’re not working in the office. So what’s the rush? Right?

Sophia Wise One

Totally. Whereas I did mine way early, which was I got my tax refund. Before it was like my intuition. It’s like the link between my intuition, my body wisdom, and my quote, unquote, ADD or dysfunction is like, not confusing. And a huge amount of my ADD wasn’t ADD it was trauma, dissociation, it was like, it was like, I couldn’t cognitively keep track of things because I was going in and out of my body I was disassociating. And so the more I cleared the trauma, the more brain bandwidth I had, and the more attention I had available to then follow something through. So combination with all of those things.

So it’s like listening to my intuition and trusting and building that building that trust with action. I think that’s where I started with this was like as we heal with our inner children, like, you know, stopping in the middle of a conversation and saying, like, what you just said, was really intense for me to hear, I just need a second, like, I’m with you, and I want to hear the rest of your story. But I need a second I’d like put a hand on my own body and to like, tell my little like, You’re okay, they’re telling a story that’s not happening to us right now.

Like, that’s not you know, this, we’re not married to this person. We don’t live in their house, we’re not moving in. That’s not what happened. They’re not gonna put their stuff in our body, like, whatever it is, you know, like, you know, or just like, wow, like, I just say, like, wow, I feel so much grief hearing that, you know, like, that is an action to, like, bring that into a conversation in the same way that like, sitting down, going through my papers, shredding them putting things in the mail, like, that’s an action that makes my inner my inner child my little go, you’re taking care of me. I don’t need to find someone else to take care of me like that. Right?

Jen Amos

Yeah, for sure. I mean, the two things that really resonated with me and your story is like, It is one thing to give your inner child a pep talk or to reassure them or say you’re gonna be okay, you’re good. You’re not hurt, you’re fine, you know, but it’s another thing to show it in action. And I think that for a lot of our at least, I think about my own inner child, Jennifer, where she appreciates that action.

You know, like, she she, she knows when I’m just trying sugar coat things, like, don’t even like, I didn’t even say it yet. I already know what you’re gonna say to me just don’t like I know you, Jen. You know, me. Like, no, she’s like, She’s like, Cut the bulls**t. Yeah, totally. Just, let’s just get to it. Like, I need you to do this for me, like, do it for me.

And then the second thing, it’s like, the second thing you mentioned, talking about how you were unpacking Your house is like, you know, there’s, it’s okay to, like, have a plan and an approach on how to do it. But sometimes you just have to trust her at the same time, you have to trust your intuition. If you want to kind of detract from that plan. It’s like yeah, we can unpack all the boxes, but maybe we do want to remove the stickers, like off of this off of this chair, you know, all of this furniture, and that’s okay, too. I think it’s just the fact that you are, the bigger goal is to unpack is to get settled in. And the plan is a guide, but it’s not a strict guide. It’s just a guide totally.

Sophia Wise One

And for me, I’ve really had to build the confidence to say to my plan is to listen to my body, listen to my intuitive guide and flow like a beer a butterfly that looks erratic until you trace that s**t for days. And then it’s this like bananas. Design of just being like, what is that wild? You know? It’s like that I’m not aligned I’m fractals, birthing fractals, you know, and that’s life, like that’s generative that’s restorative.

So my plan is to not know what shape it’s going to look like. But to trust that it will be like, it will be a sacred shape, if I listen won’t be a tangled mess, which is what I was told, I was when I would try to, you know, when I would try to do it when I was younger, or when I would try to do it, my coping really was a tangled mess, right? Whereas like, my trusting creates these like gorgeous patterns, and it takes a little bit more time, you know, and you have to be willing, and it’s not everyone’s style, but it’s mine, right?

So it’s like, you have to be willing to like, either sleep in a room, that’s a little like, I will clean a few things up maybe in the middle of a process to go to sleep. Sometimes that happens, you know, and sometimes it’s like, Alright, mid process, anyone who’s ever really done a big move knows that it’s like, yeah, I mean, there are some people who don’t, but most people, it’s like, at some point, you’re like, you gotta sleep and touch the boxes tomorrow. Like, it’s just what it is.

And I think that that is also a great metaphor, that’s not a metaphor for what the process is, as we are unpacking. And healing with ourselves is like, sometimes you got to go all the way through and get, you know, you unpack it, and you put it on the shelf, and you wipe everything down, and you break down the box, and you take it out to recycling.

Other times, it’s like the boxes half open, and it’s time to go to bed. Or it’s time to eat, or it’s time to walk away, it’s time to take that call from your best friend, it’s time to you know, it’s time to go for a walk, it’s time to, you know, sit down and play with the toys that you found for your child for four minutes. Right. It’s time to that’s the right, that’s the right thing to do.

Jen Amos

That’s a beautiful analogy, like unpacking our healing, or, you know, unpacking all the trauma, we went through going growing up, you know, just associating that or comparing that to moving into a new place. It’s like, you know, my husband and I, we’ve lived in our current home for about a year and a half now. And we still have boxes that are unpacked in the closet. And that’s okay.

Like we haven’t, I haven’t suffered from not opening those boxes, like I’m doing just fine. And, and it’s also it’s fun when I do go back there, like I was pulling up an old book that I’m gonna be reading or talking about this upcoming book club. And it was fun to like, dig through my boxes and kind of go down memory lane and be like, Oh, I remember that journal. I remember, you know that. And I think that’s a fun part too, is like the you don’t have to unpack everything. And in that you always discover a gift from that process when you do go back to the things that you still have yet to unpacked.

Sophia Wise One

Totally. This has been great, Jen.

Jen Amos

Yeah. It’s been great. Sophia. It’s it’s been so fun. Thank you. Welcome. You’re so welcome.

Sophia Wise One

I’ve got to kind of like my formal closing questions. And I think that’s where we are. And my second The last one is I do want to have a moment of just being in addition to this is just like you, what do you what do you help solve problems? What do you what do you do you do a thing you like…

Jen Amos

What do I do for a living?

Sophia Wise One

What do you do? Yeah, what do you do? Yeah, what do you how do you what do you how do you serve people with your? Is that a Is that a thing? This is not my usual formal close.

Jen Amos

I mean, if I were to talk about my my day job, as I call it, I do community relations for a online financial firm that my husband started. We actually met a couple, like, yeah, years ago, because prior to working with him, I was running an online marketing agency, and he was introduced to me as a client. I promise this doesn’t happen all the time. Because I’ve only had one husband so far. But yeah,

Sophia Wise One

No judgment here.

Jen Amos

Yeah, as time went on, and we moved out to the east coast, you know, coming from the west coast for like 20 years, I, I’ve eventually transitioned to rather than wearing all the hats or lots of hats in the business, I wanted to focus more on community relations. So really just spreading the word of what we’re doing. We primarily focus on career military. So people who’ve been in service for, let’s say, 15 to 20 years and over and they’re about to transition.

We like to talk to those people because the way that they deal with their money is different from your average American who is typically told to save for retirement, like wait till their 60s to pull out money. But when people in the military retire, they’re still fairly young, they’re still in their late 30s, young 40s you know, they still have so much life ahead of them. And so with that, because they have so much life ahead of them. We want them to help them shift their mindset to live a life of purpose and intention, and so in their civilian life, and once they can discover what that is to show them how their money can align with that.Like give them that flexibility to support their new life.

Because in the military, it I think it’s common knowledge that you’re trained to follow orders. And when you’re out of that life, you no longer have anyone telling you what to do. So and that, that doesn’t just impact the service member, but the family, you know, like, what’s the family going to do? What if the spouse was a stay at home spouse all this time?

And like, What is she going to do? Is she going to continue to be a stay at home spouse? Or is she going to work? Like, is she can she finally pursue her dreams? You know? Or is it at the point, once they’re out where they’re just not getting along anymore? You know, like, anyway, that’s a conversation for another time, but really just honing in on that transition and, and showing them that there’s a way to support who they want to be in post military life, and how their money can align with that. So that’s something that my husband specializes in. And I support him in that I have other projects that I do, but this is what I call my daytime job.

Sophia Wise One

So cool. Beautiful.That’s really, yeah, it’s, uh, I have a lot of feelings about the military. And, and what I know is that there are a bunch of the military is made up of a bunch of humans that want need stability, and service and fulfillment. And I love to hear the way that they’re getting taken care of, especially in the transitions and, and being directed towards that. So it’s beautiful. Thank you for your work. That’s awesome.

Jen Amos

Yeah, well, thanks for asking.

Sophia Wise One

Yeah, totally. So um, my formal second to the last question is, you know, what, how do you like people to get in touch with you? You know, we keep talking. You have a podcast, your podcast is generic conversations. So tell people if you want people to kind of get in touch or stay in the loop be connected to you? Where, where? And how, and in what way? Do you like people to get connected?

Jen Amos

Yeah, I would say, visit my podcast website, Jeneric is like the word generic, but with the letter J, as in Jen, my name. So jack, Jill Jaguar, so And from there, you’re, you’ll essentially find all of my social media links. It’s one of those shows. So it’s, it’s my one show where I really kind of make it about me, and like just random people I talked to where my other shows are a little more niche, ones for work, and then one is just for a niche market. But is, you know, my place to just have generic conversations with anyone and everyone and trying to pull out those, those stories that everyone has, and the universal lessons come out of it.

So yeah, if you could find if you find me on that website, you’ll find my personal Instagram account, I’m really active, or at least I tend to look at my Instagram account a lot, which is @thejenamos. And I think that’s it and and from there, you’ll like I said, you’ll find all my other social media links.

But if you really, if you really want to get a hold of me, like if you really want to engage with me now I do have a Google Voice number. And I always invite people to text me or leave me a voice message if they want. So that number is 619-621-8766. So that’s it. 619-621-8766. You can text me anytime, and I’ll be happy to chat with you.

Sophia Wise One

Beautiful, thank you so much, Jen. Okay, so the close my closing question is I really believe that we are in a time I made reference to this right, The Quickening, The Awakening, but this time of consciousness shifting dreaming in a new reality? What if suffering isn’t the definition of the earth human experience? What if we’re evolving into another level of paradigm perspective?

What if? I believe we are I’m committed to it. I am who’s coming with me? So yeah. Um, so my question is, what do you know? What’s a piece of that? Where are we going? What does it look like or sound like? Like, what’s the part that’s been revealed to you? That you feel or know in your being?

Jen Amos

I think where we’re headed to is more empathy in the world. You know, I just think about my my work with the military community and how when you think military you probably think like, hyper masculine, like you know, of service like you sacrifice who you are personally for the greater good when just like what you said, people in the military are just humans like they have feelings, too. They have family they have they go through trauma, you know, more so than the average American I think.

And so so there’s that. And then I think about just all the conversations around inclusivity and diversity and, you know, amplifying more diverse voices out there. I mean, of course, everyone can judge the approach of how certain people are doing it. You know, maybe some people will use tokenism, you know, to bring on someone who like, Oh, we can’t see, look, we have diversity on our show, you know, but however you do it, I’m just so glad that I’m just so glad that I, it feels like we’re in a space right now, where everyone wants to listen.

And they’re not going to be good at it. They may not always know how to do it, right. But, but we want to listen, and we want to be more empathetic. And we want to understand each other. And I think that’s where we’re headed is just more understanding, more empathy, more compassion for each other. And I hope what that does for us in the long run is, be more vulnerable with depending on each other, and counting on each other and saying, I need help. You know, I don’t know if it’s just because our individualistic society that we’ve been taught not to trust each other. But I think in this time, it feels like people want to do that more.

Sophia Wise One

Beautiful, beautiful. Yeah, I’m heading there, too. Let’s go there.

Let’s go. Sweet listeners. Thank you so much for joining us. Jen. Thank you so much for joining us. It’s just been a really precious time. So Jennifer, thank you for coming on. Just a total pleasure having you as our guest, dear listener, your sweet little, whatever they shared with you in that moment, I just want to offer you my blessings and my love and just take a moment and really send that deep listening.

Jen Amos

Let’s go.

Sophia Wise One

If you want to listen to other people. If you want to listen to your partner, if you want to listen to diverse voices and truly become inclusive or to recognize the powers and the presence of plants and crystals and our ancestors. There is one being inside you your inner child your deep sensitive being that is communicating your soul your knowing that is communicating. Study that voice first and listening to others will become second nature.

Jen Amos

Hmm. Powerful. That’s beautiful.

Sophia Wise One

Thank you so much. Thank you, everybody. Take care be so good. Be be so good. be so good. Be so good. And I’m just gonna say in case you don’t know, I do have another podcast. It’s called why I have a bunch of other podcasts. We’ve got Medicine Caller. And I Love My Life podcast. And I really want to mention and lift up Temple Erotica, stories of sacred sexuality.

If you haven’t gone and check that out. I’m just talking. I’m just whispering into some microphones and sweet stories about loving our bodies and being in prayer. So go and check out any of those. And be well thank you, Jen. Thank you, everybody. Lots of love.

Jen Amos

Thank you, Sophia. And everyone.

Sophia Wise One

Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much. And thank you, Sam. Thank you Sophia. Remember everything that we talked about in today’s episode will be in the show notes. So go there for links.

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